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CEN24LA360 · Piper PA-44-180

20 Sept 2024 · Shakopee, MN, United States

Thunderbird Aircraft Piper PA-44-180 · Accident: fuel related on approach

From Flying Cloud Airport (FCM) to an unrecorded destination

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Event

NTSB case
CEN24LA360
Event typeAccident: someone killed or seriously injured, or the aircraft substantially damaged (NTSB definition). Incident: an occurrence that affected or could have affected safety, short of that. Glossary
Accident
InvestigationHow far the investigation had got when the record was published: preliminary, ongoing, final or completed. Unknown where the source does not say. Glossary
Completed
API-reported fatalities
0 · all aircraft and ground
Ground fatalities
0
OperationWhat kind of flying it was, grouped by the rules it flew under: airline (US Part 121), air taxi and commuter (Part 135), general aviation (Part 91 and similar), military or government. Glossary
General aviation
WeatherVisual meteorological conditions (VMC): good enough to fly by looking outside. Instrument conditions (IMC): cloud or low visibility, flying by instruments. Glossary
Visual Meteorological Cond

Piper PA-44-180

Aircraft type
Piper PA-44
Category
Airplane
RegistrationThe aircraft's tail number, such as N12345 or G-ABCD. Registrations are reissued, so the same one years apart can be a different aircraft. Glossary
N2083D
Onboard fatalities
Unknown
Route
From Flying Cloud Airport (FCM), Eden Prairie, MNTo not recorded
Aircraft age
About 46 years (built 1978)
Flight rulesThe regulations the flight operated under: in the US, Part 91 (general aviation), Part 121 (airlines), Part 135 (air taxi and commuter) and others; for flights abroad, the NTSB's coarser commercial or non-commercial code. Glossary
Part 91: General Aviation
Phase of flightThe stage of the flight when things started to go wrong: standing, taxi, takeoff, initial climb, en route, maneuvering, approach or landing. Glossary
Approach · VFR pattern downwind
Defining eventThe single coded event the NTSB judges best describes what happened (records from 2008 on). Older records name the first occurrence in the sequence instead. Glossary
Fuel related
DamageDestroyed: beyond practical repair. Substantial: damage that affects the structure, performance or handling and normally needs major repair. Minor: less than that. Glossary
Substantial

Cause areas

  • Aircraft › Aircraft systems
  • Environmental issues › Conditions/weather/phenomena
  • Personnel issues › Action/decision

Approximate · Coordinates from the NTSB case API, which marks them as estimated or does not say; no uncertainty radius is established.

NTSB narrative

One of the pilots, a flight instructor, was recently hired to instruct in the airplane and was receiving a check out flight from the assistant chief flight instructor. The pilots reported that they were preparing to enter the traffic pattern, so they began a descent from their cruising altitude of about 5,500 ft msl to 1,000 ft msl. About three miles from the airport, both engines on the multi-engine airplane began to run rough. Shortly thereafter, both engines lost all power. Despite the pilots advancing the propellers, mixtures, and throttles to their full forward position, engine power was not restored. The airplane continued to descend, and the pilots performed an off-airport landing onto a field. One of the pilots stated that they did not perform an emergency checklist because there was no checklist for a dual engine failure. Also, due to their proximity to the ground, they did not have time to perform an emergency checklist. The airplane sustained substantial damage to the fuselage and both wings. A postaccident examination revealed that there were about 25 gallons of fuel in each nacelle, and both fuel selectors were in the “ON” position. The carburetor heat for each engine was in the “OFF” position. Examination of the engines and fuel system did not reveal any mechanical anomalies or failures that would have precluded normal operation. The recorded temperature and dew point near the accident site were conducive to “serious icing” at glide power settings. The pilot operating handbook for the airplane stated that carburetor heat should be used “as required” during approach and landing or if engine roughness occurs. Based on this information, it is likely that carburetor ice formed while the throttles were retarded during the descent which resulted in the initial engine roughness and subsequent loss of engine power due to carburetor ice.

Probable cause

The pilots’ failure to apply carburetor heat during the descent, which resulted in a loss of power on both engines due to carburetor ice.

Verbatim NTSB analysis and probable cause from the NTSB dataset

Sources

NTSB record CEN24LA360
Event ID
20240920195153
Case number
CEN24LA360
Dataset
full-current
Source SHA-256
5cf380f0061817c0331a6b2d8cc7e0ee3a79bea469a1001dc5c10e56f35f5ab3
Source notes (4)
  • Unreviewed is an editorial label, not an investigation status. API-sourced is not report-checked or human-reviewed. Explicit event totals are used without summing aircraft injury tables; onboard allocation is withheld. Unknown values remain unknown. The operation category is mapped from the NTSB-reported FAR part and has not been reviewed.
  • Filled from the NTSB case API where the bulk record had no value: investigation status, coordinates, cause areas. Values present in the bulk record are kept.
  • The date is the local date, which is the same as the UTC date the NTSB stores.
  • API snapshot SHA-256: 28d00879e6405e73684a8331ee363ec300db08221a10c815b0f3135a88f7de18; retrieved 2026-09-16T19:17:30.239Z.