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LAX83LA431 · Piper PA-30B

8 Sept 1983 · Marysville, CA, United States

Piper PA-30B · Accident: in flight collision with terrain/water during landing

From 051 · Lincoln, CA to an unrecorded destination

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Event

NTSB case
LAX83LA431
Event typeAccident: someone killed or seriously injured, or the aircraft substantially damaged (NTSB definition). Incident: an occurrence that affected or could have affected safety, short of that. Glossary
Accident
InvestigationHow far the investigation had got when the record was published: preliminary, ongoing, final or completed. Unknown where the source does not say. Glossary
Completed
API-reported fatalities
0 · all aircraft and ground
Ground fatalities
0
OperationWhat kind of flying it was, grouped by the rules it flew under: airline (US Part 121), air taxi and commuter (Part 135), general aviation (Part 91 and similar), military or government. Glossary
General aviation
WeatherVisual meteorological conditions (VMC): good enough to fly by looking outside. Instrument conditions (IMC): cloud or low visibility, flying by instruments. Glossary
Visual Meteorological Cond

Piper PA-30B

Aircraft type
Piper PA-30
Category
Airplane
RegistrationThe aircraft's tail number, such as N12345 or G-ABCD. Registrations are reissued, so the same one years apart can be a different aircraft. Glossary
N8211Y
Operator
Unknown
Onboard fatalities
Unknown
Route
From 051 · Lincoln, CATo not recorded
Aircraft age
Not recorded
Flight rulesThe regulations the flight operated under: in the US, Part 91 (general aviation), Part 121 (airlines), Part 135 (air taxi and commuter) and others; for flights abroad, the NTSB's coarser commercial or non-commercial code. Glossary
Part 91: General Aviation
Phase of flightThe stage of the flight when things started to go wrong: standing, taxi, takeoff, initial climb, en route, maneuvering, approach or landing. Glossary
Landing · flare/touchdown
First occurrenceThe single coded event the NTSB judges best describes what happened (records from 2008 on). Older records name the first occurrence in the sequence instead. Glossary
In flight collision with terrain/water
DamageDestroyed: beyond practical repair. Substantial: damage that affects the structure, performance or handling and normally needs major repair. Minor: less than that. Glossary
Substantial

Cause areas

  • Dual student › Wheels up landing, inadvertent
  • Pilot in command(cfi) › Supervision, inadequate

Approximate · Estimated position: the centre of Marysville, CA, the place the record names. Not the accident site.

NTSB narrative

BOTH AIRCREW MEMBERS WERE MULTIENGINE RATED. ONE WAS A MULTIENGINE INSTRUCTOR PILOT (CFI) & WAS PROVIDING INSTRUCTION FOR THE OTHER TO BE UPGRADED AS A MULTIENGINE INSTRUCTOR. DURING A LANDING, THE ACFT TOUCHED DOWN WITH THE GEAR RETRACTED. NEITHER PILOT REALIZED THE GEAR WAS IN THE RETRACTED POSITON WHEN THE ACFT WAS TOUCHING DOWN.

Verbatim NTSB analysis from the NTSB dataset

Sources

NTSB record LAX83LA431
Event ID
20001214X44591
Case number
LAX83LA431
Dataset
historical-pre2008
Source SHA-256
89e2df6d848e7ab3b42e7d7c7a03ff403303057a26ca04c95b3ea67201c3ce74
Source notes (4)
  • Unreviewed is an editorial label, not an investigation status. API-sourced is not report-checked or human-reviewed. Explicit event totals are used without summing aircraft injury tables; onboard allocation is withheld. Unknown values remain unknown. The operation category is mapped from the NTSB-reported FAR part and has not been reviewed.
  • Filled from the NTSB case API where the bulk record had no value: investigation status. Values present in the bulk record are kept.
  • The date is the local date, which is the same as the UTC date the NTSB stores.
  • API snapshot SHA-256: ac51a9f700807edfefe252294324d72ecbcb06e9c42e0c3ddb1b2708e2b15e5c; retrieved 2026-09-23T21:23:54.195Z.