LAX85MA008 · Gates Learjet 24B
Clay Lacy Av Gates Learjet 24B · Accident: loss of control in flight during initial climb
From San Francisco International Airport (SFO) to Van Nuys Airport (VNY)
Event
- NTSB case
- LAX85MA008
- Event typeAccident: someone killed or seriously injured, or the aircraft substantially damaged (NTSB definition). Incident: an occurrence that affected or could have affected safety, short of that. Glossary
- Accident
- InvestigationHow far the investigation had got when the record was published: preliminary, ongoing, final or completed. Unknown where the source does not say. Glossary
- Completed
- API-reported fatalities
- 3 · all aircraft and ground
- Ground fatalities
- 0
- OperationWhat kind of flying it was, grouped by the rules it flew under: airline (US Part 121), air taxi and commuter (Part 135), general aviation (Part 91 and similar), military or government. Glossary
- General aviation
- WeatherVisual meteorological conditions (VMC): good enough to fly by looking outside. Instrument conditions (IMC): cloud or low visibility, flying by instruments. Glossary
- Instrument Meteorological Cond
Gates Learjet 24B
- Aircraft type
- Learjet 24
- Category
- Airplane
- RegistrationThe aircraft's tail number, such as N12345 or G-ABCD. Registrations are reissued, so the same one years apart can be a different aircraft. Glossary
- N864CL
- Operator
- Clay Lacy Av
- Onboard fatalities
- Unknown
- Route
- From San Francisco International Airport (SFO)To Van Nuys Airport (VNY), Van Nuys, CA
- Aircraft age
- Not recorded
- Flight rulesThe regulations the flight operated under: in the US, Part 91 (general aviation), Part 121 (airlines), Part 135 (air taxi and commuter) and others; for flights abroad, the NTSB's coarser commercial or non-commercial code. Glossary
- Part 91: General Aviation
- Phase of flightThe stage of the flight when things started to go wrong: standing, taxi, takeoff, initial climb, en route, maneuvering, approach or landing. Glossary
- Initial climb
- First occurrenceThe single coded event the NTSB judges best describes what happened (records from 2008 on). Older records name the first occurrence in the sequence instead. Glossary
- Loss of control in flight
- DamageDestroyed: beyond practical repair. Substantial: damage that affects the structure, performance or handling and normally needs major repair. Minor: less than that. Glossary
- Destroyed
Cause areas
- Reason for occurrence undetermined
Approximate · Coordinates as recorded by the NTSB; no uncertainty radius is established.
NTSB narrative
THE ACFT, A GATES LEAR JET 24B, MODIFIED BY A HOWARD/RAISEBACH MARK II CONVERSION, WAS CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF ON RWY 28L. TOWER PSNL ESTIMATED THAT THE ACFT ROTATED FOR TAKEOFF AT 3200' DOWN THE RWY & WAS AT APRX 200' AGL WHEN THE PLT WAS INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT DEPARTURE CONTROL. WITNESSES OBSERVED THE ACFT CLIMBING IN A WINGS LEVEL ATTITUDE WHEN IT ENTERED THE BROKEN CLD LAYER AT ABOUT 600' AGL. MOMENTS LATER, THE ACFT WAS OBSERVED DESCENDING OUT OF THE CLDS AT A STEEP ANGLE& IN A LEFT WING LOW/NOSE DOWN ATTITUDE. THE ACFT IMPACTED BETWEEN RWYS 28L & 28R, APRX 10,000' FROM THE APCH ENDS. WITNESSES REPORTED THAT THE ENGS SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE OPERATING AT A HI PWR SETTING. AN EXAM OF THE ENGS REVEALED EVIDENCE THAT BOTH WERE AT OR ABOVE 92% PWR AT IMPACT. NO PREIMPACT PART FAILURE/MALFUNCTION WAS FOUND. RECORDS REVEALED2 AUTOPLT DISCREPANCIES ON 10/4/84; ONE INDCD THE ROLL MODE WAS SENSITIVE; THE OTHER INDCD THE AUTOPLT INTERMITTENTLY ROLLED THE ACFT INTO A STANDARD RATE LEFT BANK WHEN ENGAGED. RPRTDLY, THE AUTOPLT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED FOR TAKEOFF.
Verbatim NTSB analysis from the NTSB dataset
Sources
NTSB record LAX85MA008
- Event ID
- 20001214X41422
- Case number
- LAX85MA008
- Dataset
- historical-pre2008
- Source SHA-256
- 89e2df6d848e7ab3b42e7d7c7a03ff403303057a26ca04c95b3ea67201c3ce74
Source notes (4)
- Unreviewed is an editorial label, not an investigation status. API-sourced is not report-checked or human-reviewed. Explicit event totals are used without summing aircraft injury tables; onboard allocation is withheld. Unknown values remain unknown. The operation category is mapped from the NTSB-reported FAR part and has not been reviewed.
- Filled from the NTSB case API where the bulk record had no value: local date, investigation status. Values present in the bulk record are kept.
- The date is the local date; the NTSB stores the UTC date 1984-10-09.
- API snapshot SHA-256: e7efb4298aee8d73f3212a41b881212bb9616173faa3e849d1acbb1d7ac84888; retrieved 2026-09-21T05:18:15.404Z.